How Did Men Get So Broken?
There are 7-10 reasons, and yes, this is a relevant issue we need to consider.
I’ve written about this a lot, and there’s an entire cottage industry on YouTube and TikTok about the same thing, so if you want to find a comprehensive list of reasons, you can do it pretty easily, or with a little bit of light doom-scrolling kink. I will give you the higher levels if I can.
They don’t feel as if they have much purpose or respect
This is the common one you hear from a lot of guys: whether work, home, hobbies, friends, church, etc… they’re not entirely sure what they’re supposed to do or if anyone cares they’re doing it. You can view some of this as how we recontextualized masculinity after #MeToo, without ever putting a specific definition on the type of masculinity we wanted — just the kind we didn’t want. You can view it as women, children, and “job creators” viewing men as sperm donors, task monkeys, and ATMs. You can also view this as a lack of EQ and self-awareness by men, to not get up and pursue that purpose, respect, or both. But this is the catch-all category for most of the rest.
The Friendship Problem
I know less and less young men are getting married now, statistically, but married young men (esp. those with young kids) make virtually no effort to establish their own friendships, outsourcing almost all that work to their wife. This creates random chasms of friend groups essentially created by women with similar-aged kids + the women can still tolerate each other + the kids don't fight. Men get adrift in that.
The Therapy Issue
Most men (this is becoming a bit better) are not comfortable with conventional therapy, and even if they are, a lot of conventional therapy is talk-based, and there’s a long-held argument that men need something more action-based, which can expose the limits of standard therapy for a guy. Honestly: a lot of guys I’ve known, myself included at 3–4 spots, only go to therapy because their romantic partner recommends it in that moment.
The Vulnerability Scam
For 8–10 years now, there has been a narrative around men that they should “show vulnerability” to foster stronger relationships. That works in some male groups, but definitely not most. Most men recoil from vulnerability. If you’ve followed this advice in the last 8–10 years, you’ve probably found yourself isolated and depressed at least once.
The Provider Issue
Things are more expensive, to the point of two incomes almost being the norm (statistically, it is the norm), and so men feel like less of a “provider,” if they feel that way at all. I used to have a terrible boss at one company who would always tell us: “Well, my wife works, BUT BUT BUT here’s the reason…” Like, he was so embarrassed by it. He lived in NorCal and previously worked for a big tech company, so I get it — probably most guys he knows have “the little lady” at home. But NorCal tech is not real life, either.
Shifting Models
This encompasses a lot, including “healthy” vs. “toxic” masculinity, what a marriage is supposed to be and represent, what men are supposed to be and represent, etc. A lot of the old “norms” have been blown up even in the last two decades. Some people recoil from this, but I do think a big lure of marriage for men for years was “I get laid, you get financial stability.” Many divorce lawyers will come out and say that. Well, now the woman is often working, and — GASP! — the woman wants you to do domestic things like — EGAD! — care for your children. But, at the same time, those women and their friends and their mom might deem you “toxic,” and can take half of whatever paltry sum you earn. So now maybe men think sitting around DM’ing guys over some shooter game is a better deal? I doubt all men, but the shifting of norms takes a while to get used to, and can scale depression.
The Conversation Conundrum
A lot of guys can’t talk about anything and have a limited model for talking about more, which contributes to feelings of isolation and friendship issues, above.
Mental Health Malaise
We discussed therapy above, and the problems therein, but there’s more to mental health than just therapy. In addition to guys being told to “be vulnerable,” (doesn’t work) often guys are told “find a tribe” or “build community.” If you are a dad with a FTE and a 2-year-old and a 5-year-old, you have almost no chance of building community, because of all the people and things you are beholden to, and all the people and things that guys you would ever meet are beholden to. Plus: most guys I’ve ever met, and I’ve lived in dozens of places now, have no interest in “fostering relatiosnhips” or “building community.” They want to be seen as successful and have lives of convenience. Those are the barometers. It’s why so many men collapse if their wife dies first. “But, she planned everything.”
Focusing on the wrong shit
Chasing convenience, material wins, “I slay at biz,” etc. None of that stuff really “fills you up” in the way friendships and relationships can.
Bottom Line
It’s nearly impossible to make this list fully comprehensive because different guys struggle with different things, from pre-existing depression to feeling like an ATM to not enough physical touch to deep mental health challenges to physical health challenges, and all of those things can contribute to some degree of malaise. All men are different, I.e. yes, by extrapolation you can say all men are snowflakes. I’m kidding. (But many are.)
I think the above will get you started on the road to understanding male malaise and how you could potentially help out, if you’re a man, woman, or dog.
Hey Ted,
We are in a tranformative period in history.
1. Historically, only 33% to 40% of men procreated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/7xvqai/once_you_understand_that_throughout_history_only/
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success/
Most died without passing on their genes. This could be because men's work was more deadly (hunting/warring), because disease killed male children more, because dominant men/wealthy men/warlords kept the women for themselves and cast out boys because they were competition, like mormon fundamentalists do. Men oppress men.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism)
2. Women weren't procreating voluntarily. They weren't choosing. Women were chattle. Even in our own culture, women couldn't vote/own property/have a job/have a bank account. They were chosen for marriage, as prostitutes, as kept women, and raped, resulting in children. 80% of women procreated, but most weren't in control of their bodies. They didn't have a choice. It wasn't until 1993 that marital rape was a crime nationwide in the US. The first no fault divorce was legalized in CA in 1969, but that was really for celebrities. Women were property for most of our history.
3. Because men could obtain women by achieving something or by force, there were no expectations of positive male behavior. Men could behave inconsiderately, selfishly, violently, etc. Men oppress women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ZpMXaiy6U - Watch this hilarious Bill Burr piece on terrifying dads.
4. Reagan destroyed the middle class with trickle down economics. Wealth inequality is at its highest point in 75 years.
https://americancompass.org/economic-inequality-guide/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAouG5BhDBARIsAOc08RQ1LYkqyqSW6_45_n4_CsbnSdUSdTiBKv9AZUuAUm9Xi2Dx_-oxoWYaAuvIEALw_wcB
5. Women are earning more degrees and earning equal money, except in the highest social classes. Women have a choice for the first time. The liberation of women is the largest liberation of people in the history of the world. Women have achieved a level of equality for the first time and women are evaluating whether they want husbands, children, to pursue a resource expensive career, etc.
If you were suddenly set free from everything you saw your mother and grandmother have to deal with, would you clambor to go back to being less free?
Here is what AI had to say:
"The statement "the liberation of women is the largest liberation of a people in history" is a widely held opinion within feminist circles, arguing that due to the sheer number of women affected and the pervasive nature of gender inequality across societies, the fight for women's rights represents the most significant liberation movement historically.
Key points supporting this view:
Scale of impact:
Women make up roughly half of the global population, meaning their liberation would impact a massive number of individuals across all cultures and societies.
Systemic oppression:
Women have historically faced widespread discrimination and subjugation in various aspects of life, including legal rights, economic opportunities, and social status.
Transformative potential:
Achieving gender equality could fundamentally reshape social structures and power dynamics, impacting not just women but society as a whole. "
Bottom line, men need to up their game, become whole, become considerate, collaborative, peaceful, respectful, and embrace equality. Not sure how. But that is the pro-social answer.